Dear Beloved Contributors,  CAN YOU PLEASE BE A FAIR JUDGE?   I am bewildered by the attitude of anyone who is claiming that our civil...

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Dear Beloved Contributors,  CAN YOU PLEASE BE A FAIR JUDGE?   I am bewildered by the attitude of anyone who is claiming that our civilization is suffering from pure water shortage, and/or wastewater treatment.    Please, The Lord, right in front of everyone eyes, has established a very simple water desalination system, which is also valid for wastewater treatment. In this very simple system: At room temperature water is evaporated from the surface of the seas and oceans, next clouds transport this evaporated water to lands. Rain water is ultra pure water, which is filling all the rivers of the planet and availing pure water for the majority of all human beings.     Also, The Lord has availed special plants which are tolerant to highly saline water for wastewater treatment. The Lord did for you the whole work, all you have to do is to imitate your Heavenly Father, and you will be the winner?? Human beings are identified by childish stubbornness.      We are presenting to the worldwide community the best process to desalinate any saline water, which is Room Temperature Evaporation ( RTE). RTE is the only physical phenomenon which does not need any supply of external energy, the energy needed to separate (to evaporate) pure water from saline water is simply supplied from the bulk of saline water cooling it. We are providing complete description of this process on our website www. naturalseawaterdesalination . com (= manufacturer of desalination equipment). We did not patent our design, and we made sure our design is fully described publicly to forbid any patenting to avail this design to everyone free of charge due the extreme importance of such an equipment for the welfare of the complete humanity.       As our equipment operates at room temperature and pressure, then the materials of construction are less expensive and our final products are far less expensive than any of our competitors worldwide. Our simple equipment consumes < 2.5 kwh/m3, and cheaper than Chinese RO units.     Whether Reverse Osmosis, Electrodialysis Reversal, or any other similar process are suffering from complicated meaningless designs and expensive products. We are simply imitating the natural process of pure rain water formation, and this is the key of our success and leadership all the way.

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  1. Dear Mr. Bryon,

       Best wishes for a HAPPY NEW YEAR for you and everyone following this discussion.

       I am very, very glad that you started investigating about the new progresses in wastewater treatment procedures, you are not yet convinced, it might take some time,...
    They called it "Sweetwater Wetlands" probably to avoid critics from someone like you,.. ha,.. ha,.. however it is highly saline water,..

       I would like to draw your attention that we are implementing this process for long years, we exposed ourselves to critics far more relevant than your critic of wastewater treatment, while we are in full control of the level of salinity of discharged water. Also we already faced the critics of our clients who scrutinized every aspect of our products. Still we are not stopping, we are working hard to make our equipment of smaller size and lesser expensive, despite that our present equipment is smaller than comparative Reverse Osmosis equipment and cheaper too.

       I confess that probably if we patented our design, we would have attracted more audience than our "Open Source Design".

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    1. Happy New Year to you too, Maher! 

      If you will notice, I have never once questioned the use of this system for waste water treatment. It has an obvious utility in that area as it is dealing with simple freshwater recovery from waste water. 

      And it's application for that purpose entails there being infrastructure already in place as waste water is only generated from concentrated population centers or industrial facilities. 

      That is not the case when you make claims of placing these all along the coasts of desert countries, with the promise of turning the coastlines into agricultural areas.

      The shear volume of fresh water required for large scale agriculture precludes your technology from being feasible. As it also does with the disposal of the toxic salt solution discharge from large scale conventional desalination.

      Simply because YOU choose to not call it toxic, does not change the fact that every chemist, environmentalist and agriculturalist recognizes that the salt solution from desalination to recover large volumes of fresh water are at extremely high concentrations, and are completely toxic to the environment. Denying that fact lessens your credibility in the field. 

      Even just the 50% solution that large scale conventional desalination discharges thousands of meters out into the open ocean, increases ocean salinity to the level that even plant and animal species which live in a salt environment, are killed by the discharge.  So any discharge onto a confined marsh area which cannot be diluted a billion to one by the vast ocean, will in no way handle the salt content of that volume.  

      Waste water treatment is by it's nature a small volume, in comparison to the vast volume of fresh water required for agriculture. The proof of this is in the fact that agriculture requires 15 times more fresh water than all domestic and industrial use combined. Therefore the effluent of waste water from human activity is 15 times less than what would be created if desalination was used to provide enough fresh water for agriculture.

      This means that if fresh water was desalinated for agriculture, the effluent in the form of extremely toxic salt solution would be 15 times greater than any waste water discharge from human or industrial activity, and sweet water marshes are not in any way capable of handling that discharge at nominal salt levels.  

      That's why desalination is not used to provide fresh water for agriculture, even when money is no object as in Saudi Arabia! 

      As an environmental professional and the CEO of two environmental companies, I have a lot of experience in this field.  I created sweet water marshes back in 1996, planting a variety of species that absorbed toxic waste and conducted ongoing water and vegetation sampling over a decade as the marshes matured and the effluent levels fluctuated, so don't presume that I don't know anything about the subject, and I suspect I have more direct experience with sweet water marshes than you do. 

      As a farmer and environmentalist I have conducted an 8 year study on the fresh water requirements for various crop species on 9000 acres of dry land agriculture in Canada so I believe I have enough agricultural experience to support me, probably far more than you do. I have also been invited to the Gulf Cooperation Council  states on several occasions to discuss this subject and partner with professionals in the agricultural and desalination industry who are looking for alternative means of providing fresh water, as they know they cannot do it with desalination, even at the tremendous volumes put out by Saudi Arabia....    

      So, Maher, I know EXACTLY what I am talking about when it comes to judging the capacity of your technology to provide enough fresh water for agriculture, and as such I also know you have NEVER encountered critics who knew what they were talking about in regards to agricultural needs and what your technology can provide, nor the drawbacks of disposal of the effluent in remote desert areas.

      If you had been asked these questions previously then you would have been able to provide the specific answers to my questions on output volumes, foot print of the units and method of handling the discharge of toxic salt solution for large scale agriculture....and you couldn't, so I know you haven't been confronted with these questions and formulated credible responses.  

      I am not saying you should stop your research, but I see now that it is still just research, as making claims which the technology cannot preform means you haven't  encountered the problems yet that I have brought up, because you haven't tried to produce water volumes at any large scale as required by agriculture. 

      I wish you luck in your efforts, but you should stick to the best utility of the technology, which is providing small scale potable water and waste water treatment, and remove your claims of providing sufficient water for large scale agriculture as anyone with a similar level of experience on this subject as I have, will shoot down your claims very quickly, and at that point any loss of credibility will also put doubt on it's ability to do what it can obviously do in waste water treatment and potable water recovery. 

      If you will take some advice on your presentation to improve it, and I can offer any fair judgement it is this.

      The lack of interest isn't because the technology isn't patented. It is your approach, and I have seen similar problems before when someone is trying to garner outside interest and investment.

      First of all ... remove your religious references!  They aren't necessary. Refer to the great water cycle as a natural system. You know that God created Nature, and that's fine, but you aren't selling a religious ideology, you are looking for investors in new technology, getting that will still please God!  

      Remove the negative language towards any form of conventional desalination.  Use terms like... "the difficulties with R/O systems"... or..."the huge expense" ... these are things they already know. Don't call them or their technology ..."ignorant, stupid and wasteful"... as you have.  When you make these kinds of insults you have instantly turned off the very people who have the funding to develop your technology at large scale. 

      You spend more time on your youtube slideshow trying to discredit conventional desalination than you do at describing your technology and promoting it....that's a huge mistake!  Lose the negativity!  The desalination industry already knows those things, and the people who have bought into them know it, and want to find better and cheaper ways to extract fresh water.

      But when you come across as too religious, too negative, and making outrageous claims like greening all the desert coasts, and then cannot provide the answers to match your claims....you are dead in the water before you begin. 

      Moving forward: 

      Do a new video, without a mechanical sounding voice narrating it. Find a friend to narrate who will sound upbeat, maybe a female voice, it will improve the listening ability.

      Change the wording to be upbeat and positive as to providing a solution for current desalination processes which are very expensive.

      Concentrate on what your technology can actually do and not make claims that are too far out there, as  when you do that, people instantly become skeptical and then they can easily disregard the benefits your technology could achieve in waste water treatment and small scale potable water desalination.  

      Let future expansion and development deal with increased needs and then those claims can be made. You don't need to convince everyone that your technology will save the world, you only need to convince them to try it for their application. 

      Getting new technology off the ground isn't a sprint, with the promises of glory already being celebrated... it is a marathon and each leg has to be tackled one day at a time, so making claims that are too vast to begin with handicaps you from the start. 

      Good luck, and I hope you can take this advice to heart and improve your approach in 2017!  

      If you can get things fixed up in time, I would suggest you attend the GFIA in Abu Dhabi in March, and be a presenter of your technology and concept looking for investors. You won't get corporations that wanna make a profit as they cannot patent it, but you will interest government agencies who seek to find cheaper methods to deal with waste water and provide small scale potable water.

      Send me a link to the new video and your slide presentation for the GFIA beforehand (if you can get in at this late date) if you wish.

      I will give you fair judgement on it and advice on improving it .... accepting it will be your choice! 

  2.    Dear Mr. Byron,

       I am very sorry to refer to this offensive response, which you imposed.

       When you are mentioning "toxic salt solution" the impression you are imposing is that you did not complete any course of basic chemistry. What "toxic salt solution" you are speaking about??? The oceans and the seas are full of living plants and a huge multitude of fish, and the fish market is always prosperous.

       You are proving that you have no idea about agriculture, as agriculture is having special plants which can tolerate highly saline water, please check the internet under the title "salt tolerance of plants".

       You revealed that you are an atheist, you are totally free in your mental logic, however The Creator did not leave anything behind, natural recycling is fully complete, we fully rely on natural bacteria to generate natural gas out of our organic debris as an example only.

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    1. I have a three page answer waiting for you, which discredits your last misdirection of using sweet water marshes for desalination discharge, and it also demonstrates that your technology can in no way fulfill your claims as providing sufficient fresh water for agriculture.

      However, I will keep this short, unless you cast any more aspersions on my ability to comprehend the realities of the environmental requirements for agriculture...I assure you that I am well versed on the subject both as an environmental professional having done soil and water sampling for EC in dS/m to derive SAR for decades and as a farmer who fully comprehends the volumes of fresh water required to raise a crop. 

      But I will say this, and give you a chance to improve your rhetoric or drag this deeper.

      You need to either provide credible answers when pertinent questions are asked which challenge your claims, especially when it is clear that your technology can in no possible way produce the volumes required for agriculture, or.... change your claims.

      Every single potential client for your technology will ask the exact same questions as I have, and trying to mislead them or saying they should just look it up, will not work whatsoever. You need credible answers that you can substantiate with fact, not your opinion.

      Otherwise.....Don't come on a public forum and ask ANYONE for a review if you are unwilling to provide answers. 

    2. Dear Mr. Bryon,

          Please, please, try to substitute your stubborn attitude which deprive you from understanding, and at the same time it exposes an awfully low mental capacity.

          First The Lord is not guiding me, I am a very simple person who could find out that if I imitate what The Lord is doing, I will be able to avail a much more effective process for water desalination for the welfare of a complete human race.

         Now, let us start from the beginning in very simple words: Our process of Room Temperature Evaporation generates pure water, and of course there will be a reject of water with higher salinity (this water is not toxic). Recent advances in wastewater treatment followed also by many cities municipalities referred to "Sweetwater Wetlands" which is simply some land which will be accepting this highly saline water and is cultivated by special plants which are tolerant to highly saline water, also some small animals and birds are finding this land as an appropriate habitat.

        Please, please try to find out about the facts which I am mentioning to you, instead of exposing more mental tardiness. Please check the internet about "Sweetwater Wetlands" and "salt tolerance of plants" instead of relying on your personal information, which is missing a lot.

       

    3. Once again you are using misdirection to hide the truth...and making assumptions about my faith to try and make yourself sound more credible.

      I am not an atheist, but I do deplore misdirection, deception and flat out false statements, which you are using to try and promote your technology. 

      As far as your example of how "Non Toxic salt is" ....  The ocean is only roughly 35 parts per thousand of salt or 3.5% by weight. The most extreme saline agriculture has only been successful on a trial basis with saline water below an EC of 10dS/m. And crop yields for  cotton, mustard, millet and wheat drop to half once the dS/m reaches 8, which is only roughly 5% salinity. 

      Once the fresh water is extracted using your technology,  that percentage increases dramatically, even at only 11- 13%, no plant life can be sustained. 

      And since the current saline agriculture is being done using ocean water or underground saline water....what's the point of using your technology...it simply becomes redundant. 

      Since you propose to extract fresh water from ocean water with your technology, then you are INSTANTLY leaving behind far higher salt solution than can be used on any agriculture. 

      To any thinking person, when fresh water is extracted from salt water, in any significant quantity, the SAR value of the solution left behind  is TOXIC to plant and animal life. To deny that is an out right LIE! 

      Even with conventional desalination, the discharge is only 50% salt, and it kills coral and marine life, even though it is dispersed into in the ocean and diluted, that would not be the case on land.

       This means it must be disposed of...and you are ignoring this fact! 

      You continue to refuse to answer the pertinent questions about the output of your technology, and it's potential to supply the huge volumes required for agriculture. As I stated, it takes 785,000 m3 to irrigate a 1km dia field of wheat in 90 days  and your technology can in no way do that effectively at any scale.

      There are only a small percentage of the salt tolerant  Halophyte plant species that are edible, and they still cannot endure high concentrations much beyond the salinity of ocean water. So your misdirection that there are many opportunities to create saline agriculture with high concentrations of saline solution left over from your process is untrue!

       This leaves you with either irrigating conventional crops with a low salinity, (already available with current ocean water)  which by the way builds up in the soils over time, rendering the soil non arable. This has always been the problem with irrigation with any saline water  all over the world. 

      You continue to refuse to answer direct questions about the output capacity of your technology to  fulfill your claims. This either means you don't have the answers or are afraid to admit there are great exaggerations in your claims that you can turn desert coastlines into green agriculture with this technology, without any problem of disposal of toxic salt solution.

      Either way...you are being deceptive, and claiming the Lord is guiding you does not give you license to be untruthful or sidestep direct questions that would not in any way reveal the inner working of your technology.

      What I am asking you is no different than someone asking about the driving range and emissions output of a new car....it's not secret information and it is required if you want to interest anyone in your technology. 

      However if you are making claims you cannot substantiate....then I can understand why you want to continue to try and divert attention by comparing your faith to mine and making broad statement about saline agriculture, which do not support your concept of how the Toxic saline solution will be disposed of, because it certainly isn't gonna be on crops of any kind. 

      You can continue to post that you think I am confused and helpless...hahaha...but I'm the  only one posting real scientific fact here. You are using misdirection to avoid answering direct questions that reveal you have great problems with your claims. 

       

  3. The Lord has provided the gift of rain water filling all the rivers of the planet for all human beings for all generations, and not only to me, if you are missing and unable to understand what you are receiving, then check your mental capacity.

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    1. My dear wonderful,sweet and loving Maher....let's dispense with the false flattery which you follow up with insults, and stick to science.  The Lord is not impressed with your tactic of deception and putting the blame on the person asking the questions, when you don't have the answers.

      I am not contradicting what God can do in replenishing the land with rainfall, so stop using that as a straw man argument. I am questioning YOUR technology being able to duplicate that system in any quantity that will make a difference for agriculture and you haven't provided a single response to allay that doubt, for me or anyone else. 

      You asked for a fair judgement .... you received one and refuse to answer the questions posed because you don't have the answers and if you did answer them, it would expose the real capacity of your technology which is minuscule compared to the need for agriculture, and nothing more than possibly capable of producing potable water. But with problems yet un-factored in, in the disposal of toxic salt.  

  4. Please revise your comments as they are baseless coming from a confused identity

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    1. You were asked pertinent questions about the production capabilities of the technology, which you refuse to answer. I will not revise them as it is your responsibility to account for your claims when you make them on a public forum.   I am in no way confused about my understanding of what Agriculture requires for volumes of fresh water, nor for the costs and difficulties of disposal of the effluent...you seem to be confused about both of those subjects because your claims are not credible!

    2. If my comments are baseless...show me why there will be no toxic salt solution left behind, while you extract fresh water from ocean water....that's gonna be interesting....lol  

      Continuing to sidestep logical questions by saying people shouldn't ask them is quite funny. It also  shows you don't have the answers, and as such this is not a credible technology for supplying large volumes of fresh water for agriculture. 

       

  5. I cannot deny that we not declaring our technology as it came through hard work for long years, if you are puzzled how to resolve what you mentioned, then this is your own problem, probably you have to follow our route of working hard for long years and persevere, instead of complaining, while your main problem is helplessness.

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    1. I am not asking for anything secret about the operations of your technology. I am asking for an explanation of the OUT PUT of the technology, which every single potential client would ask. If you side step those questions as you have here, you are merely being deceptive!  

      You asked for a fair judgement and now claim anyone who criticizes these wild promises of turning turn coastal desert land into green agriculture... to be helpless, and to check my mental capacity....lol....yet the onus in on YOU to answer the questions posed to you....AND YOU HAVEN"T!

      Your insulting nature seems to counter your religious fervor. But then that should be expected when you don't have the answers to simple questions opposing  your wild claims.  

      You HAVE NOT as yet:  Explained how you will get rid of the toxic salt solution left behind, which clearly there will be many tonnes!

      You HAVE NOT explained how you will produce the vast volumes of water your are claiming which is what is needed for agriculture. 

      You claim 1m3 / hour ...that's just 10m3 per day if you are relying on room temperature. But you haven't acknowledged that at night time and on cold days, there will be no evaporation... it is a fact, unless you are using an alternate heat source or energy transfer to increase pressure.

      How big will a plant have to be to produce the volumes of rainfall required to raise a crop in a desert climate, exactly as rainfall would be capable of?

      As in the desert climate, present day irrigation is delivered at 1 meter (100cm) per square meter of crop area to mature a crop of wheat.  That's 10,000 cubic meters per hectare. A typical irrigated field in the Middle east is 1000m across in a circle. That is equivalent to 785,000 square meters and you would have to produce 785,000 cubic meters of water for that one field of grain. Since your sample unit can only produce 10m3 per day....how large would it have to be to produce sufficient rainfall for 785,000m3 in just 90 days?  And that's just ONE FIELD!  If you can't answer that convincingly then your premise is bogus as you haven't considered the scale or water supply required by agriculture. 

      The fact that YOU can't answer these questions, sheds light on your inability to present a credible alternative to anything more than present day desalination for potable water. 

       

       

  6. Dear Wonderful Bryon,

     

        If you are helpless and unable to figure out that Room Temperature Evaporation RTE can be replicated very easily and effectively, producing enough water covering the needs of complete cities, then please do not impose your helplessness onto the others. All the problems you mentioned we covered them effectively and without any trouble.

     

       Unhappily, engineering references missed the detail discussion of Room Temperature Evaporation, however this is a very fruitful physical phenomenon which we have elaborated for years and we reached a successful design. We did not patent our design and we are describing it openly for everyone, also we secured the process  from any patenting, for the welfare of this poor civilization.

     

       You are not the one who has the capacity to give an obscure idea about our successful breakthrough. You are even unable to realize that Room Temperature Evaporation is identical to Boiling Point Evaporation

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    1. Hahaha....apparently  you are helpless and unable e to answer pertinent questions concerning the output of your technology...and that's what counts, as this is your claim.

      I'm not asking you to explain ...how it works...I'm asking you to explain HOW it can produce the volumes required for agriculture which is  WHAT YOU CLAIMED! Also how you will account for the cost of disposal of toxic salt solution, which you claim there isn't any. This is totally laughable as any thinking person realizes when you take fresh water from salt water, a toxic salt solution is left behind, which you first claimed there wouldn't be and then claimed there are salt ponds all over the world.

      Problem is...nothing grows in those salt ponds,and creating thousands more along the coasts does not benefit arable land whatsoever as it will eventually dry out and blow onto adjacent areas, rendering them unproductive.

  7. I can tell that you have never been to the Dead Sea.  they mine salt there too.  but again, solar distillation will leave behind sea salt.  to say anything about other contaminants and toxic waste pools is unrealistic to say, the least.    there are many salt ponds all over the world. 

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    1. Eros; Don't make assumptions as to where I have been, especially since it has nothing to do with your premise. Yes there are many salt ponds all over the world and they are dead to organic life. When those salt areas dry out the salt begins to travel with the wind, contaminating vast areas of arable land.

      Failing to recognize that fact is a major flaw in you premise. The disposal of the toxic bi-product MUST be factored into the cost equation to determine viability.  You also need to realize that the world is not short of salt and salt mines. They are in abundance, and employ a lot of people. Just because you propose hundreds more of these stockpiles of salt and other contaminants appearing along the coasts, does not mean there will be a use for it at any price or even free. 

      You also don’t seem to realize that ocean water IS NOT PURE and CLEAN! It is contaminated with pollution, from oil spills, chemical dumps, discarded garbage containing medical waste, the human and chemical waste effluent discharged by sewage pipes and cruise ships as well as the dead sea life and their waste products. Plus the salt itself in high concentrations IS TOXIC to organic life, plant and animal. NOTHING lives on those salt flats or in the Dead sea, the Aral Sea or the now greatly diminished Lake Urmia in Iran and any other salt sea in the world.  Therefore to say there is no toxic waste...is completely ridiculous. 

      I have no doubt your concept is far cheaper, but will it supply the volume of water required….that’s the big question and at what cost for the infrastructure as it will occupy many times the foot print of conventional desalination technologies in order to derive a similar volume of production due to the very slow natural process!

      You asked for a fair judgement of your proposal, I am giving it to you, and you NEED to address the points I brought up, which you haven’t. This is not stubbornness (on my part)  it is a fair and reasonable analysis of your claims. If one does not think of all the problems that need to be overcome, you will simply FAIL before you can even start. No one is going to put one dollar into a project where someone has not considered how or if the technology will address the actual need it is intended for, and the future problems it will encounter.

      1: The scale of the technology and its potential daily output considering that evaporation at room temperature is very very slow.... (How many units of what scale would it take to produce 1,000,000 m3 per day, and keep in mind, you only have part of the day to evaporate water and none on cold days at all?

      2: The storage or disposal of the toxic bi-product. The Dead sea is not just mined for salt, it is a cocktail of minerals all naturally formed from the sedimentary layers beneath the water goes down a great distance.  The ocean however is not clean,  it is contaminated with waste and that contamination is left behind during evaporation.  

      3: What is the foot print required to store the salt, and how will it be eventually disposed of and how will you keep it from blowing onto arable agricultural land, rendering it useless?

      4: How do you address the inability of your concept to EVER produce enough fresh water to supply agriculture in hot climates, as I pointed out the requirement in comparison to potential output of RTE technology. (You need much higher volumes during the growing season than at other times, how does your concept address those requirements?)

      Yes the great water cycle is a marvel of creation and the only reason there is life on land on this planet. However postulating that a mechanical device can duplicate the supply derived from rainfall is another matter altogether.

      If you feel that the Lord has given you this concept, then please enquire of him to provide the answers to these questions….that’s how an evaluation works…. You postulate the concept, questions are raised and you address the questions of concern to remove all doubt of its validity so, please elaborate!

      It appears to me that you have come up with what you think is a simple solution that will easily supply the world with fresh water, without actually looking at the demand side of the picture. I’m no fan of Reverse Osmosis desalination, it’s costly, energy intensive and contaminates coastal waters with the toxic bi-product, killing coral reefs and marine life and can never produce enough for agricultural use. But your concept could not even come close to providing the volume of desalinated water that current desalination does, and you still have problems with waste disposal. Therefore ridiculing current methods, calling them meaningless is hubris in the extreme.

       

      Meet the challenge….answer the questions in a reasonable manner, and be prepared for further questions if your answers appear to lack credibility.

  8. dear Mervyn,  solar distillation will not leave behind any salty reject water.  imagine a salt flats and you cover it with clear plastic sheeting.  you have salt left over.  and you have distilled water.

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    1. No one should discourage new concepts, but a shot of reality is needed to put them in context.

      Referring to your statement that there is no salty brine left over....that is inaccurate. You still have a considerable amount of salt mixed with contaminants from the ocean water left behind. And it will take quite a while longer to reduce that brine to dry minerals, far longer than is practical if one wants maximum water production, and then you need to dispose of it. Where does all the salt get disposed of?  

      If it is above ground you will need impermeable basins where millions of tonnes can be stored because rainfall will dissolve the surface salt and produce brine which will leach into soils and water ways, and aquifers and kill everything it touches. Then once that basin is full....what do you do with it, and where do you find the next one? And there needs to be a method of covering those mountains of salt as the wind will blow it onto adjacent land, rendering them infertile.

      What you are creating are massive storage sites on land for salt contamination...a ticking time bomb for future generations to deal with.

      Another choice will be to ship it back out to sea and dump it, at considerable expense. It will have to be loaded onto trucks and shipped to ocean terminals and loaded onto special ships that are equipped to dump at sea .... and any coastal country employing this method will need a lot of them because the trucking, loading, shipping and dumping will take considerable time....that is not therefore a cheap proposition!  And it must be in deep water because the sudden shock on marine ecosystems of high salt concentrations will kill marine life, even in open water. 

      The concept of solar distillation is not new, but the logistics in dealing with the waste material need to be overcome FIRST! Nothing is a simple as first envisioned! 

      Saying that we can duplicate the natural evaporation process and solve all our water problems isn’t recognizing the scale of the problem, especially for agriculture. Let’s look at Saudi Arabia for instance.

      They are the largest mechanical producers of desalinated water on the planet, producing 5,760,000 m3 a day. At your requirement of electricity that comes to 14, 400,000 KW hours a day, every day…without end. Now most of that can be derived from solar but any operations at night time requires another source of electricity, if of course it produces anything at night. And on days of heavy cloud, and cooler temperatures, there won't be much in the way of fresh water production. 

      But, there is no indication of the scale of the unit, and the output of distilled water, ie: m3 per hour, and natural desalination at room temperature is very very slow! Since these units cannot operate well at night due to the drop in air temperature (even in the desert) and with no sun, they can only produce for part of the day…..and at what volume? I suspect a minimal supply!

      Now consider this … Saudi Arabia is only 30 million people, and that 5,760,000m3 a day only supplies 70% of their drinking water, and only 6% of the total water use in the country. Which means they use 94% of their water for industry and agriculture, and that’s a small amount because they import 90% of their food (and have very little manufacturing) and don’t use a single drop of desalinated water to produce the remaining 10%, which comes from aquifers.   

      It’s fine to say….”here is a simple system, why don’t you people recognize what God has given us!” It’s quite another to duplicate the natural system at enough scale to create an adequate supply, especially for agriculture  which is 15 times greater than drinking water requirements, and in greater shortage for future populations due to drought and climate change in dry regions.

      Solar desalination and in particular your system is viable for small scale production, but has many hurdles to overcome in disposal of the toxic bi-product, and those ensuing costs. As well as the fact that it will only provide a portion of the drinking water requirement and won’t be of scale to provide what agriculture requires.

      It’s one solution on a small scale, and relatively cheap, but it isn’t gonna save the planet from a fresh water shortage.  

      A 25mm rainfall over 24 hours (a drizzle) covering 100sqkm (just 10km/10km produces 2.5 million m3 of fresh water.  On an area of that small size, basically a postage stamp for any agricultural region, you’d have to produce that 2.5 million m3 every  week at least, in a hot desert climate. In Saudi Arabia, they require 1000mm in less than 90 days to produce a crop of wheat. (That's 11mm per day or 11 times what this estimated calculation amounts to) How many of your units would it require to do that???  Probably several hundred or more!

      Let’s speculate at the numbers. 2.5 million m3 divided by 7 days = 357,142m3 per day. Desalination at room temp is very slow, and you’d be lucky to get 10 m3 per day out of a unit. And even if it was a massive operation at large scale, (way too expensive for developing countries to build a lot of) you might get 1000m3 per day (but I doubt it) . That means you would need 357 massive units operating nonstop just to accumulate 25mm over one week, nonstop. Units that size would require a footprint of at least 15 acres, including piping, water intake and bi-product discharge facilities…That means you have to cover 5,355 acres with desalination plants, just to produce 25mm of fresh water to 23,000 acres of agricultural land weekly.  And in a desert climate, you'd need 10 times that much to irrigate a crop. 

      It will be a good addition for small scale drinking water, but isn’t reasonable to speculate that it will produce all the fresh water required for agriculture.  

  9. How does this system deal with the tonnes of salt or toxic brine left behind in the process? In current desalination processes, discharge of the toxic brine is destroying marine ecosystems near every plant. In the Persian Gulf, nearly 90% of coral reefs are dead from this toxic discharge. 

    If entire coast lines are covered with these units, will that not simply increase environmental damage of that ecosystem?