Electronic Filtering

Hello everyone,

One of the reasons I have asked to join the Desalination group is because of an idea that I have for an electronic filter.

The basis of this idea is that salt ions tend to follow free radicals which is why they cause oxidation in metals.

What may be missed is that a filter that creates controlled "sparks" could possibly create a path for salt ions to follow. This could possibly allow for much lower pressures to be used as the "membrane" would be made of metal or a composite material containing steel, aluminum or other materials.

How these "sparks" would be generated is by using 2 magnetic fields, one having it's polarity reversed, and having a tube with raised areas similar to a cylindrical geodesic dome. The raised points could cause an interaction between the 2 opposing magnetic fields creating the necessary spark that could cause a salt ion to be repelled or to follow such a path into the discharge where the brine goes.

With such a concept, it may require pulsing or modulating the frequency/amplitudes of the 2 magnetic fields to create a controlled interaction between the 2 opposing fields. What is nice about em fields is that they can either repel or attract metallic objects.

By having the field closest to the filter repulse it, the other field could be attracted to it. Basically this would be playing both sides against the middle and would be why frequency/amplitude modulation might be necessary.

And if the tube were upright/vertical, then the salt ions would follow the flow of the brine and gravity while the solute that is removed would move at 90 degrees. And why I think something like this might work is because water is an excellent conductor of electricity. And since electricity can move through water, water should have the inverse potential of flowing through an excited electrical filed while salt ions would be reacting to en excited field.

I also have realized a possible way to use principle in engineering that Heron of Alexandria realized but may be more practical for humanitarian purposes.

4 Answers

1. There is one unique aspect of salinized water. And that is that the salt ions seem to evenly disperse in the solute. Such an idea may fool the salt ions in water into thinking their is a high concentration of salt ions where the 0.4 Hz magnetic field is. Also, a magnetic field with a frequency of about 0.4 Hz may have a similar effect. It might be that the some what even dispersal of salt ions in a solution might be because of the emission of energy. I have not been able to find the specific frequency of NaCl but it seems that both elements have light emissions just above the infrared spectrum which should allow a very low Hz to have the potential of acting as a salt ion. This is something that should be something easily demonstrated if it could work. Some wire mesh with a low frequency fed into it should be a good basic demonstration. This may require a cathode or ground. All a part of testing an idea. If salt concentration is the same by the mesh as away from it, then it doesn't work. But if it shows a lower concentration by the mesh than away from it, then it would be worth a littler closer look.

2. @All, as far as development of an idea like this goes, there are basic tests that can be done which would show if this line of thing might have any merit. One thing I always do when posting work in an open forum is make known my willing ness to donate the patent rights to charity. This way, if some one else finds it is something they might want to try, that's okay. The link is to what is a simple diagram representing anodes and cathodes. The unusual alignment would be to create a better spark with less amperage/voltage. And with some thing like this, if positive anodes are pushed through a thin piece of rubber, then a thin rubber backing can be applied to it. After that, the cathodes can be pushed through and then sealed with a film of rubber. The anodes and cathodes would need to be very close to each other so as to almost be touching each other. And then holes can be punched in between the anodes and cathodes in varying configurations if desired. One thing this would do is show if a low amperage/voltage spark (think your car's engine here) would push salt ions away from pores. If so then a small test piece about 1 in. sq. or 2.5 cm x 2.5 cm would be a simple test that would show if solute could flow through an electrical charge while a denser solution continues down the drain back into the brine it came from. And with this, a pipe in a pipe is the basic plumbing. The solute would flow into a larger diameter pipe that surrounds the pipe with the salt water solution. I do have my current project which will take rest of the year to finish. It's a historical project and is important to me so I hope all of you don't mind my not having the time for this right now. Although it is something I thought I would find out what other people thought of it and if they think it might be worth pursuing. Happy Holidays :-) http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae278/bessler_supporter/BasicSparkGeberationTypeFilter_zps2862b1c4.jpg

3. Not at present. I have a couple of other projects I am working. If they are successful, then those may help to find out if this is something that could work.

4. Dear James the idea is quite interesting. are you working on this?